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Reply by Guru Horacio Rodriguez
Hormat and greatings Sifu Elio Terrago thank you for your reply First of all Hows the weather in Miami my favorite place Being Cuban the closer to the Island the better jajaja .Your reply to the post shows How Deeply you understand your Art and how everything about us is part of Nature and Evolving as Human Beings styles and flavors came about from each individuals signature and understanding of Martial science natural law and Nature everybodys signature and Handwriting is different But the Alphabet it's still the same and we must have all the letters otherwise we can't write full statements and be fully understood god created us and Help us create things by giving us the knowledge thrue everything around us so the creaters of our arts were Blessed with this Hormat .. Enjoy the Sun


Reply by Natural Motion Systems 1 second ago
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Greetings and Salutations
Thank you for your time,energy and efforts in this co-creation,
of research and development in the understanding and practice (applied research) ,
of (objective) The Martial Sciences.

Thank you , to the forum and all The Masters of the Martial and Health sciences.
thank you for your kind words.
The weather in Miami (little Havana) is just like the Caribbean, Hot and Humid.
which goes great with Cuban Coffee ( liquid Nitro)

"everybody's signature and Handwriting is different"

We agree with this (NMS) would call every one this an individuals particular style (Subjective) .

"But the Alphabet it's still the same and we must have all the letters otherwise we can't write full statements and be fully understood"

We agree with this , and that is why we posted two post trying to discuss Essential Elements in Martial arts (Self defense) .


http://www.silat.tv/forum/topics/essence-of-selfdefense
Essence of Self-Defense ?

Martial Arts and Competition Fighting: The Essential Difference

Competition fighting saturates the world of contemporary martial arts. Therefore it is necessary to clarify and distinguish the differences between the two.

We Stated That :Essential Differences in Thought
Competition fighting is a game in which the structure of rules & regulations creates a “level playing field” between contestants in order to determine momentary supremacy.

Martial Arts is a survival method that seeks to overcome through strategy.

Competition asks “Who is better?”
Martial Arts asks “How to survive and overcome?”
Self defense?
Martial Arts must have Defense System?

What is Defense?
Having clarified the essential distinction between Martial Arts and competition fighting, we may examine defense.

when you have time please feel free to participate ,your input and all who seek the same (Objective) The Glorification of this treasure The Martial Sciences, are welcomed in this co-creation.

http://www.silat.tv/forum/topics/essence-of-selfdefense
Essence of Self-Defense ?

With Respect and Honor,

NMS
Elio H Tarrago / Shen Gung
www.naturalmotionsystems.com

EOE
Master Su Dong Chen
www.essenceofevolution.com

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http://www.silat.tv/forum/topics/traditional-martial-arts

Traditional Martial Arts Systems Vs. Modern MMA Gyms

* Posted by Timothy Bauer

In my opinion there are good and bad aspects of each, I say we Have an all out written combat of the pro's and con's. And vote for wich one is favorited in your view.

For me the Traditional Martial Arts Systems that contain a full curriculum that not only develops the young/new students fighting skills along with thier physique. But, more importantly, develops the mental attitude and gives them the tools of thought they need in order to prosper in the true sense of the word. The individual has not only a new set of killing skills, they also have had the proper moral compass instilled that gives them the control of thier perverbial dials, the dials that control such things as tenacity, furocity, brutality, intensity......

Then the Student has a full understanding of the responsibility of his actions. The Traditional Martial Arts System will send the student into the world with all those things, Spiritual, Mental, Physical. Notice the order.

The MMA gyms will surely teach a person to kick butt, if they can survive the first week, and winning technique in the ring world of competitive sports and real life. But do they really ,in general, give a person the total skills needed to cope with the wide array of situations properly managing the deadly skills they potentially posses.

For this reason I choose Traditional Systems that contain the whole spectrum, Pentjak Silat Bukti Negara.

Place Your Vote

Timothy Bauer


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Greetings and Salutations

Thank to the forum and all of its participants
Thank you Timothy Bauer for bring up this topic and,
your time,energy and efforts in this co-creation,
of research and development in the understanding
and practice (applied research) ,
of the (objective) The Martial Sciences.

We have brought up this topic on 4 different post,

http://www.silat.tv/forum/topics/essence-of-selfdefense
Essence of Self-Defense ?

http://www.silat.tv/forum/topics/ufcs-joe-rogan-says-that
UFC's Joe Rogan says that Traditional Martial Arts are ineffective and a waste of time!.

http://www.silat.tv/forum/topics/martial-arts-and-competition
Martial Arts and Competition Fighting: The Essential Difference ?

http://www.silat.tv/forum/topics/the-word-imprint-energy
The word (imprint) , energy, action and Idea of "Competition"

and we believe (NMS) that all martial arts enthusiast should dedicate time, energy and effort on the communication and education of this very important topic Traditional Martial Arts Systems Vs. Modern MMA Gyms?

Why?

America and Martial Arts !
The public face of American martial arts has changed dramatically as we have edged into the new millenium.
The popularity of traditional arts has waned,
while the spectacle of “mixed martial arts” fighting competitions has grown from underground activity to national phenomenon,
attracting millions of fans and a legion of would-be champions.

Traditional (classical) instructors hope for a resurgence of interest in their arts (Ex: The New Karate Kid),

fight promoters grow wealthy,
and civilians dress in fatigues and seek to secure themselves against threats both real and imaginary.

The universe of American martial arts has become saturated with romantic nostalgia for the past, the bloodlust of the gladiator pit, and rampant consumer-militarism.

From the ashes of these dead-end paths arises a new direction: Evolution.

Who is this New Evolution ?
All of those who feel The Ability to Respond appropriately (Responsibility) .

The Martial arts is a body of theory and practice that requires investigation, research, and direct experience.
The Martial methodology is a code that enables independent research and self-instruction, embodying a philosophy of individual autonomy and self-determination. Evolution, application, and consistent understanding are the goals of The Martial arts learning is its own reward.

Through the examination of root principle and the practice of unfolding development,
Martial Arts transcends the limitations of boundaries, authority cults, fantasy, consumer trends, and commercial sports.

Who is this New Evolution ?
All of those who feel The Ability to Respond appropriately and dedication, practitioners to an influential presence in the world of American Martial Arts and beyond.

Philosophy:
http://www.silat.tv/forum/topics/the-word-imprint-energy
The word (imprint) , energy, action and Idea of "Competition"

I have observed that the (imprint) , energy, action and Idea of "Competition"
is one of the leading Viruses plaguing the Martial and Health Sciences.
I do not believe that the choice of the - energy - ideas and action is developmental / productive for the Martial and Health Sciences.
If we observe the basic meaning of the word (energy) , we can see clearly its pursuit of limitations and is malignancy.
that eventually will be destructive.(unhealthy)
"Competition" The act of competing,
It arises whenever two or more parties strive for a goal which cannot be shared , as for profit or a prize - rivalry.
rivalries often arise over the pursuit of profit, prestige, and fame /position.
Rivals refer to their competitors as "the competition". simultaneous demand by organisms for limited resources.

Martial Sciences:
http://www.silat.tv/forum/topics/martial-arts-and-competition
Martial Arts and Competition Fighting: The Essential Difference ?
Martial Arts and Competition Fighting: The Essential Difference
Competition fighting saturates the world of contemporary martial arts. Therefore it is necessary to clarify and distinguish the differences between the two.
A Question of Purpose
The purpose of Martial Arts is survival, whereas the purpose of competition fighting is victory within a restricted setting. The essence of all competition is limited victory, i.e. victory within limits.
Though its terms and criteria vary, victory in competitive fighting is achieved by striking, throwing, controlling, or a combination thereof.
Because the goal of competing is to "win," the de facto emphasis of competition fighting is attack. Thus it is clear that competition fighting possesses offense. But does it possess defense?

http://www.silat.tv/forum/topics/essence-of-selfdefense
Comparison (essential differences) of Competition Fighting and Martial Arts:
We Stated That :Essential Differences in Thought
Competition fighting is a game in which the structure of rules & regulations creates a “level playing field” between contestants in order to determine momentary supremacy.
Martial Arts is a survival method that seeks to overcome through strategy.

Competition asks “Who is better?”
Martial Arts asks “How to survive and overcome?”
Self defense?
Martial Arts must have Defense System?

What is Defense?
Having clarified the essential distinction between Martial Arts and competition fighting, we may examine defense.

Defense: "Fángyù" ( 防禦 )
The majority of Martial Arts systems in America today have their roots in Asia; many of the arts of Asia trace their origins to China. The word for "defense" in Mandarin Chinese is "fángyù," (pronounced "bōgyō" in Japanese) and is composed of two distinct characters. An examination of the meaning of these characters will serve to illustrate fundamental Martial Arts thought:

Fáng - 防 - To prevent/cope
Yù - 禦 - To manage/control


With Respect and Honor,
Peace be with you.

NMS
Shen Gung
http://www.naturalmotionsystems.com

su dong chen.
essence of evolution.
http://www.essenceofevolution.com/

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What is the Original Name of (Martial Sciences)?

Who created the Martial Sciences?

Why?

When?


The body does not live without the mind,
The mind does not live without the spirit...
Mind consciousness
is the instrument that we have in cultivation of
body,
mind
and spirit.

Our first battle is against a foe that shows itself in a superb disguise...
The apparent pair of opposites,
Our minds are easily trapped by this illusory division
and we start building a fictitious "personal" self that is in constant need of stimulation.

We try continuously to "properly educate" that self...
but using that very same ignorance that created it...
men, go on endlessly searching for
happiness ,
security
and other smoky creations
that are built with aspirations of finding "something" that will fulfill that deep sensation of emptiness...

But that "something" is not in the outside, nor in books, nor in words...in reality
has it never left us
even for a moment,
but since we are so busy searching for fulfillment, our minds cannot see that there is nothing to unite because there is nothing divided...
that is why men are called "individ..duals".
The idea of division.
Wisdom,
The ultimate weapon in the Martial arts, Spirit and Tradition.
Lacking its deep meaning, the world of martial arts has fallen into a great ignorance.
The insertion of the (subjective) , social and economical targeting as a main aim,
made many poisons from this very profound way of self development.
The ignorance of its original meaning cemented with (subjective-media) book-video mediocrity closed down the doors of a marvelous and healthy world...
these arts were created with a very distinctive purpose,
The warriors did not fight for themselves (subjective) or for personal goals as it can be witnessed in the ancient scriptures .
"Engaged in pure action deprived of his ego sense,
ready to sacrifice his own life for the sake of others,
this indeed is one of the most powerful aspects of "wisdom"...
soaked in the divine aspiration of having abandoned all low characteristics of ego,
giving no room for fear, anxiety, anger and other known mental diseases,
he conquers his weakness in the open battlefield of life,
wins the throne of the real kingdom of freedom"


In our present days, most people think that there is no meaning in service,
the general thought is "I must show who I am"
" I shall prove that I am important, powerful, unbeatable etc... "
and many are ready to do "anything" to attain these scopes..."wisdom" is seen as something made for fools....
the old days, the practice of Martial Sciences brought about so many hindrances and risks for the practitioners, the training was extremely difficult and students were constantly made to face reality in very sharp ways,
how could in present times attract people that think
"what will I get out of this?"
"what is the prize for all these sacrifices?"
as one can see, these self made questions are self based on expectations, rewards, recognition etc. and when these thoughts are deep rooted, instantly birth is given to
anxiety,
fear ,
blocking all spontaneous actions and the perception of the present moment. By creating this wall of illusions,
one is defeated even when he passes through a temporary win.....

What is the Original Name of (Martial Sciences)?
Could words (names /labels)
be tools to describe the attributes of a Method of Realization /Enlightenment that is not limited to one word.


Who created the Martial Sciences?
Could it have been by our own true nature (universe) expressing itself.

Why?
Could it be our true nature (natural process) as creation, be to express self and co-create.

When?
Always, beyond limitation of time and space.


From the form to its Essence
From the tradition to its Evolution
From the pursuit of limit
To the research of possibilities
Essence and Evolution.

¿Cuál es el nombre original de (Ciencias Marciales)?

¿Quién creó las ciencias marciales?

¿Por qué?

¿Cuándo?


El cuerpo no vive sin la mente,
La mente no vive sin el espíritu ...
la conciencia de la mente
es el instrumento que tenemos en la cultivacion de
cuerpo,
mente
y el espíritu.

Nuestra primera batalla es contra un enemigo que se manifiesta en una excelente disfraz ...
El par de opuestos aparentes,
Nuestras mentes son fácilmente atrapados por esta división ilusoria
y comenzamos a construir una ficticia "personal" yo que está en la necesidad constante de estimulación.

Intentamos continuamente "educar nos.
pero usomos la ignorancia misma que lo creó , para educarnos
los hombres, sigue sin cesar en busca de
la felicidad,
seguridad
y las creaciones de otras ilusiones
que se construyen con las aspiraciones de encontrar "algo" que va a cumplir esa profunda sensación de vacío ...

Pero ese "algo" no está en el exterior, ni en libros ni en las palabras ... en la realidad
nunca nos dejó
ni por un momento,
pero ya que estamos tan ocupados en busca de plenitud, nuestra mente no puede ver que no hay nada que se unen porque no hay nada divide ...
es por eso que los hombres son llamados " indivi ..dos".
La idea de la división.

Sabiduría,
La herramienta fundamental en las artes marciales, el Espíritu y la Tradición.
A falta de su significado profundo, el mundo de las artes marciales ha caído en una gran ignorancia.
La inserción de los (subjetivo), sociales y económicas dirigidas a un objetivo principal,
hecho muchos venenos de esta manera muy profunda de auto-desarrollo.

La ignorancia de su significado original cementada con (subjetivo-media) la mediocridad libro-video cerraron las puertas de un mundo maravilloso y saludable ...
estas artes fueron creadas con un propósito muy particular,
Los guerreros no lucharon por ellos mismos (subjetiva) o de objetivos personales, ya que puede ser visto en las antiguas escrituras.

"Comprometidos en la acción pura privado de su sentido del ego,
dispuesto a sacrificar su propia vida por el bien de los demás,
de hecho este es uno de los aspectos más poderosos de la "sabiduría" ...
empapado en la aspiración divina de haber abandonado todas las características de baja del ego,
sin dar lugar para el miedo, la ansiedad, la rabia y otras enfermedades mentales, enfermedad conocida,
vence su debilidad en
el campo de batalla abierto de la vida,
gana el trono del verdadero reino de la libertad "


En nuestros días, la mayoría de la gente piensa que no hay un significado en el servicio,
la idea general es "Debo demostrar que soy"
"Voy a demostrar que soy importante, poderoso, invencible .. etc"
y muchos están dispuestos a hacer "cualquier cosa" para alcanzar estos ámbitos ... "sabiduría" es visto como algo hecho para los tontos ....

los viejos tiempos, la práctica de las Ciencias Marciales traído sobre tantos obstáculos y riesgos para los profesionales, el entrenamiento fue extremadamente difícil y los estudiantes se realizaron constantemente para hacer frente a la realidad de manera muy fuerte,
¿cómo podría en los momentos actuales atraer a las personas que piensan
"¿Qué voy a salir de esto?"
"Lo que es el premio para todos estos sacrificios?"
como se puede ver, estas preguntas son auto hecho a sí mismo sobre la base de las expectativas, premios, etc reconocimiento y cuando estos pensamientos tienen su raíz profunda, al instante del nacimiento se da a
ansiedad,
el miedo,
bloquear todas las acciones espontáneas y la percepción del momento presente. Al crear este muro de las ilusiones,
uno es derrotado incluso cuando pasa a través de una victoria temporal .....

¿Cuál es el nombre original de (Ciencias Marciales)?
Podría palabras (nombres y etiquetas) ser herramientas para describir los atributos de un método de realización / Ilustración que no se limita a una sola palabra.

¿Quién creó las ciencias marciales?
Podría haber sido por nuestra propia naturaleza verdadera (universo) que se expresa.

¿Por qué?
Podría ser nuestra verdadera naturaleza (proceso natural) como la creación, la de expresar libre y co-crear.

¿Cuándo?
Siempre, más allá de la limitación de tiempo y espacio.


De la forma a su esencia
De la tradición a su evolución
Desde la búsqueda del límite
Para la investigación de las posibilidades
Esencia y evolución.

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http://www.silat.tv/forum/topics/inovation-or-selfglorification
silat.tv

Greetings and Salutations,
Instructors,Masters and martial arts enthusiast.

Thank you for your time, and energy .
" I was wondering as well. Spam"
"nonsensical ramblings everywhere to make themselves feel important..."
"I'm trying to be more polite..."

I thankful for the opportunity of research and development in the understanding and practice (applied research) of the (objective) The Martial Sciences.

We are thank for the opportunity to share /service our understanding at this point in time.
With Respect and Honor,
Life
health .
Success

NMS
Elio H Tarrago / Shen Gung
www.naturalmotionsystems.com


I.The reason and point of posting the other (post) is if-

-The Martial Sciences are a Method of Realization /Enlightenment that is not limited to one word or words.

-The Martial Sciences is our own true nature (universe) expressing itself.

-The Martial Sciences is (natural process) as creation, to express self and co-create.

- The Martial Sciences beyond limitation of time and space.

martial artist belongs to everyone and to serve everyone.

then how can any one or any group -

"creating their own martial art systems"

"copy techniques and training methods"

" combine them, and call them your own, are you innovating, being eclectic, or stealing?"

II. If we can postulate that no given group (school),system or style was the one or is the one,
once we get past that understanding,

we can get to essential elements of Martial Sciences -

1.distance / range,
2. timing / rhythm / speed,
3.angle / lines
4.balance / space,
5.Strategy (weapon based -non weapon based)
6. tactics (purpose and objective)
7.offense / counter offense
8..structure
9.mechanics
10.dynamics

III.The essence of Martial Sciences is a body of theory and practice
that requires investigation, research, and direct experience.

that enables independent research of individual autonomy and self-determination. application, and consistent understanding Through the examination of root principle (essence) and the practice of unfolding development,

IV.Martial Sciences transcends the limitations of formal boundaries,
authority
cults,
fantasy,


V.so then a
? Question why are these topics
1.distance / range,
2. timing / rhythm / speed,
3.angle / lines
4.balance / space,
5.Strategy (weapon based -non weapon based)
6. tactics (purpose and objective)
7.offense / counter offense
8..structure
9.mechanics
10.dynamics

not the main focus of exploration , communication and education?

? Objectively look at the majority (general) Topics / post ect.... What is the objective?

?Depth understanding and applied research / training ?

or

? subjective gossip?